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#106 User is offline   Warpaint 

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 04:35 PM

Illegal aliens are another example of a "supply and demand" culture's fallout, similar to the drug trade. Obviously, there is a "demand" or "market" for them here, so here they are. Think about that long and hard before you judge them. Look at the food on your table, the clean carpet in your offices, the deodorizing cake in your urinals, the empty trash cans on your street, the neatly manicured lawns, the rows of crops in the field, the $.99 cheeseburger you chomp, etc., and think about how those things got there courtesy of the lowest bidder, at a cost savings passed on to you Mr. and Mrs. Demand. If illegal aliens weren't somehow "welcome" here, more of them would search for opportunities elsewhere. Illegal aliens aren't the enemy...some of US are, and the rest of us must deal with the consequences. "We can't fight them as we are." :heart:
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 04:54 PM

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Apparently you no comprehendo. I said, politics isn't irrelevant because this debate is political; political parties are. We are not discussing political parties, we are discussing a subject, an issue, not who supports them The point is, that you're not making a point by arguing with "Republicans support it, it must be bad." or "Democrats support it, it must be bad." Those are irrelevant. You either misread that post, or you chose to ignore and say exactly what you said before. So, you can't really stand with a debate that is held up with "Republicans support stricter immigration control, and they did all this, so it mus be wrong." For some reason you seem to thing I am talking about Democrats, I don't believe I have mentioned anything about Democrats, while you think I have, or have I mentioned any affiliation to any political party


Now that is a logical fallicy. Politcial parties are defined by the opinions and positions they take on political issues and subjects. If you are talking an opinion or stanace on a politcial issue, be it pro or con, you are either aligning with or against one of the political parties.

The second logical fallicy you seem to be suffering from is assuming I am saying "Republicans support stricter immigration control, and they did all this, so it mus be wrong". No where have I said that in seriousness. I have stated that illegal aliens wasn't a "national crisis" until teh Republician party made it a "national crisis". Which is entirely true and I have posted support to prove that.

Illegal aliens are not taking US jobs. Illegal aliens do not kill more Americans in Texas than white and black Americans killing other Ameicans in Texas. There is no crime explossion due to illegal aliens. There haven't been any major terrorist attacks or security breaches due to illegal aliens. Nor have they destablized our economy.

Just what "crisis" are they causing other than xenophobia in a bunch of out of touch people who can not realisticly view the world around them?

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 05:02 PM

View PostMeline, on Nov 9 2007, 04:54 PM, said:

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Apparently you no comprehendo. I said, politics isn't irrelevant because this debate is political; political parties are. We are not discussing political parties, we are discussing a subject, an issue, not who supports them The point is, that you're not making a point by arguing with "Republicans support it, it must be bad." or "Democrats support it, it must be bad." Those are irrelevant. You either misread that post, or you chose to ignore and say exactly what you said before. So, you can't really stand with a debate that is held up with "Republicans support stricter immigration control, and they did all this, so it mus be wrong." For some reason you seem to thing I am talking about Democrats, I don't believe I have mentioned anything about Democrats, while you think I have, or have I mentioned any affiliation to any political party


Now that is a logical fallicy. Politcial parties are defined by the opinions and positions they take on political issues and subjects. If you are talking an opinion or stanace on a politcial issue, be it pro or con, you are either aligning with or against one of the political parties. You're missing the point... terribly.

The second logical fallicy you seem to be suffering from is assuming I am saying "Republicans support stricter immigration control, and they did all this, so it mus be wrong". No where have I said that in seriousness. I have stated that illegal aliens wasn't a "national crisis" until teh Republician party made it a "national crisis". Which is entirely true and I have posted support to prove that. One. This is the internet, we can never look at someones text and see his emotion unless plain out writes it or smiley's it. Number 2. I have no idea what the hell you're trying to prove with this paragraph and what logical fallacy you are talking about, please state which one.

Illegal aliens are not taking US jobs. Illegal aliens do not kill more Americans in Texas than white and black Americans killing other Ameicans in Texas. There is no crime explossion due to illegal aliens. There haven't been any major terrorist attacks or security breaches due to illegal aliens. Nor have they destablized our economy. What's to stop it from happening if we don't secure our borders?

Just what "crisis" are they causing other than xenophobia in a bunch of out of touch people who can not realisticly view the world around them? Haven't we already discussed those two paragraphs? I think we are going around in circles at this time.


Okay, you're missing the point and I'm just going to quit arguing with you because it is getting unyieldingly redundant.
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 05:05 PM

View PostBlackOpsGhost, on Nov 8 2007, 10:35 AM, said:

Sickening. Illegals who commit those kinds of crimes shouldn't be incarcerated, they should just be executed. 6.7 Billion dollars a year is too much to pay for people who shouldn't be here in the first place.

Things that cost a lot when people shouldnt be there....

Iraq coudl reach over $1 Trillion ya'know...
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 05:48 PM

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Initially, my thoughts are this: No one in a PAINTBALL forum is qualified or possesses the credentials to discuss such a topic in an educated manner, so we're just going to get a pile of biased OPINIONS, including my own, and ultimately this discussion will degrade into yet another "flame" war...


...are we there yet? Does anybody else smell smoke? ;)
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 06:40 PM

View PostWarpaint, on Nov 9 2007, 05:48 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Nov 8 2007, 01:07 PM, said:

View Postmarcksman, on Nov 8 2007, 12:24 PM, said:



Initially, my thoughts are this: No one in a PAINTBALL forum is qualified or possesses the credentials to discuss such a topic in an educated manner, so we're just going to get a pile of biased OPINIONS, including my own, and ultimately this discussion will degrade into yet another "flame" war...


...are we there yet? Does anybody else smell smoke? ;)


Surprisingly, the sparks haven't ignited anything yet. :happy:

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Posted 09 November 2007 - 08:05 PM

View PostSaltandVinegar, on Nov 9 2007, 08:40 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Nov 9 2007, 05:48 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Nov 8 2007, 01:07 PM, said:

View Postmarcksman, on Nov 8 2007, 12:24 PM, said:



Initially, my thoughts are this: No one in a PAINTBALL forum is qualified or possesses the credentials to discuss such a topic in an educated manner, so we're just going to get a pile of biased OPINIONS, including my own, and ultimately this discussion will degrade into yet another "flame" war...


...are we there yet? Does anybody else smell smoke? :ninja:


Surprisingly, the sparks have ignited anything yet. :D



That's good! It's fun to exercise our brains with these topics if nothing else.
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Posted 09 November 2007 - 10:11 PM

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...
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View PostNinja Jones, on Nov 9 2007, 10:11 PM, said:

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...

I don't see why you care, your nation doesn't have to put up with them.

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Posted 10 November 2007 - 06:08 AM

View PostNinja Jones, on Nov 10 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...

Your missing the point,they are not even suposed to be here,thats why they call them illegal.Just like a factory,if you can make it run 5% more efficient that is great,even though you cant make it 100% more efficient.you have to focus on what you can fix.

and puz,I think you didint relize that if the economy gets better people get better wages,also here in the US we have a little program call food stamps,and they are for the people that cant aford food.
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Posted 10 November 2007 - 07:58 AM

Somehow I don't think food stamps are a solution. Getting rid of a huge chunk of the work force doesn't exactly improve the economy either.
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Posted 10 November 2007 - 08:56 AM

when they dont pay taxes,it is.and food stamps may not be perfect but the do however work,and if they cut out all the illegals ,it would force them to pay better wages which would up ALL wages which would intime for the most part could eliminate the need for such a thing as food stamps right?
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Posted 10 November 2007 - 09:39 AM

View PostNinja Jones, on Nov 10 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...


That's exactly what it is. Illegal aliens ARE a problem, but if murder is the driving force behind one's concern with them, you would do better to expel your whites and blacks, whom commit the majority of murders. This is just a smoke screen.

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View PostNinja Jones, on Nov 9 2007, 10:11 PM, said:

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...

I don't see why you care, your nation doesn't have to put up with them.


I think every country deals with illegal aliens to some extent.

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View PostNinja Jones, on Nov 10 2007, 12:11 AM, said:

The whole article just sounds like a load of propaganda to me, seeing as they FOCUS on the Illegal Immigrants, and don't consider the amount of legitimate American Citizens that kill Americans...

Your missing the point,they are not even suposed to be here,thats why they call them illegal.Just like a factory,if you can make it run 5% more efficient that is great,even though you cant make it 100% more efficient.you have to focus on what you can fix.

But, to be more "efficient" when you attempt to resolve a problem, you focus where you can get the most "bang for your buck". 14,700 murders represents a much more significant "opportunity" than 700. So if you set yourself an improvement target of some percentage, do the math and tell us what the potential opportunity is in each case for each group. In making a a "mountain out of a molehill", precious resources are lost from the "whole", to chasing around relatively small problem, and usually someone else's personal crusade, (like Don Qioxote) as opposed to resolving the bigger issue at hand for everyone, which in this case is crime, specifically murders. According to the facts, you are more likely to be killed by your white or black neighbors...where shall we send them, so we can all feel "safer"?


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