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Posted 19 November 2010 - 01:59 PM

View PostThalion, on 19 November 2010 - 12:51 PM, said:

700 may be a bit low to meet the criteria. 750-800 is a bit more realistic, especially when you want irons other than the A2 style carry handle.

Thats fine, like I said, I know they go up in to the 1200-2000. I would like to keep it below that so 800 is still fine.

If I dont need a foregrip on there then I wont put one on there. I just foresee it as being useful. Especially with it being so short, I could be wrong.

The sights thing could just be a mental thing. Because there is a big carry handle it may seem smaller, but my experience has always been the apertures have been tiny. Its been a LONG time since I've really messed with one, so I could be wrong. Seems like the best route is a flattop with flip ups anyway.

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Posted 19 November 2010 - 02:39 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on 19 November 2010 - 11:35 AM, said:

I'm looking at 700 for a functioning rifle that I can do what I want with. I'm aware they jump in price to close 1200 but I'm hoping I'm not being too naive. A sling, bipod, etc. are all kind of secondary. I've thought a lot about iron sights and what I dont like about the A2 is that they seem really narrow. I'd rather a flip up front sight too but thats not as big of a deal to me. I just really dislike the sights on the carry handle. lol

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Something like that seems a lot more practical. Some of those flip ups seems real flimsy though.

So if I could get by with iron sights maybe that'd cut down some. Let me mention I'm just lookng to hit human sized targets at 400yrds, not trying to put them through the same hole (though I'll try like hell). So, the more I'm thinking about this the more I'm submitting to optics being secondary and I'll be a better shooter for it.

I still do not trust steel cased ammo despite some people saying they have no issues with it through their 5.56 barrels. Just personal preference. I wouldn't shoot Walmart paint through my Victory either.

I'm heard a lot of problems with steel cased stuff and Wolf specifically.

Well, yeah- Thalion beat me to it but $700 is kind of low.
But you can do good for only a little more-
You can get a Spikes Tactical ST-15 Midlength for $810.(Spike's Middy)
Or you can buy a complete Mid upper (same company) from Aimsurplus.com for $480, and a lower for around $250, for a total of around $730, but with no rear sight.
Granted that's before shipping and transfer fees, but still pretty good for a complete rifle.
The stupid carry handle is removable so you can change out the sights.:)
A Midwest Industries sight like your picture is about $80-ish(?). They also make a low-profile version of the sight.
On a side note- I haven't personally seen this, but it seems that their apertures may not be aligned correctly- i.e., a zero with the small aperture might change if you switch to the large one. Also some folks don't like the screw because, well...it's a screw.:laugh: But it's still an excellent second to a Troy.
You can get a good sling for about $20- check out a brand called 'Boonie Packer'. Or a Blue Force Gear Victory for about $37(?). Both are very similar.
I second the Magpul handguard ($30 +/-) to the point where I would consider switching to it one of my first tasks if I was in your position- you can also add individual rail sections (approx. $15 ea.) to attach a light.
A Surefire G2 LED can be had for around $55- Check out the multi-brightness Pro G2X- that way you can also use it for other less light-intensive tasks. Can't say much on a light mount- your perference toward a fixed or quick detach mount will decide the price range. But right now one of my favorites is by Gear Sector- Ergonomic and lightweight, although it may not be as easy to get on/off as others. Runs about $65.
If you just can't stand the standard stock like me, A Magpul MOE can be had for under $60- It's almost the same thing as a CTR, just without the locking lever and QD points. Although I'd get the CTR because I'd want those options- again your preference. Plus a pile of Pmags for about $15 each.
So yeah, for the total package you're going for around $1,060- 1,270 pre-shipping/fees.
BUT: before I get assassinated here- I'm not in any way saying you just HAVE to have it ALL NOW. I'm just throwing out a price for a basic setup not much more pricey than where you're at. By all means make a project out of it- it'll be more fun, and give you time to shop around, and/or save up a bit more for better components.

As far as the steel ammo- I don't like it much either, and do my best to stay away even though, as has been pointed out, Wolf has improved a bit.
If you need to save some money or steel is your only option, check out Hornady- they make a steel cased training round that seems to be much more reliable than Wolf, and is still dirt cheap.
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 04:53 PM

Nooooo I had always had intended to kind of add on stuff as I go. Of course the priority would be to get a working gun first. =p
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 07:53 PM

Since they got brought up, Spike's ARs are actually pretty good for the price tag they come with.

They're not top of the line, but they beat out most of the comparatively priced competition.

I would love to setup a Spike's AR pistol someday.
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Posted 19 November 2010 - 09:35 PM

This may be the cheap part comin out of me, but if the AR is so modular then I can always add top of the line stuff later. =p So if its good, but not excellent, then it could change over time eh? =p
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:00 PM

First of all, I have built two AR's(of my own) from pieces, and a couple more for friends. So I do understand how to build them from scratch, and I would recommend that for the price range you are considering, you might want to look at just buying an AR. I would direct you to either a Bushmaster or a Rock River Arms rifle. If you do alittle looking, you can find these rifles at pretty decent prices. And both are good rifles. If you are determined to build your own rifle, in order to learn the platform better. I would highly recommend that you go online to Brownells and request a FREE AR15 catalog. Then buy yourself a video on building AR-15's, and make a list of the parts that you want. This will give you a better idea of how much you are going to spend, and what you will end up with. It is very important to make a detailed list of what you want, otherwise you might stray and buy things that you dont want. I know, I have a tote of misc. parts & pieces from past experiences. Good luck and hope it helps.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 02:15 PM

For the cost of the Bushy, you could have a BCM or Spike's (both of which are better IMO)
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 04:28 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on 19 November 2010 - 09:35 PM, said:

This may be the cheap part comin out of me, but if the AR is so modular then I can always add top of the line stuff later. =p So if its good, but not excellent, then it could change over time eh? =p

Yes and no. This is partially what I meant at the end of my last post- don't worry about getting it all at once, piece it together.
On the other hand if your plan is to buy el cheapo components and replace them later, why? You'll be spending twice the money....Save yourself money and frustration and buy quality once.

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For the cost of the Bushy, you could have a BCM or Spike's (both of which are better IMO)

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As you'll see as you look around, the cost of a quality AR isn't much different than a sub-par one.
In fact- BCM is still running their uppers on sale (BCMUppers). You'll want to add the option of their Bolt Carrier Group/Charging handle too.
A Spike build might still be a little cheaper overall, but you could also get a full BCM upper, stick it on a Spikes lower, add sight and handguard, and you've got one great rifle.

OR- if you go on that forum I linked to, check out the BST section for complete ARs- used rifles, but some really great stuff pops up there quite often.
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 05:31 PM

It says the site is under construction.

I did find some DPMS stuff on impact that were nice. They didnt have sights though.

http://www.impactgun...4451000082.html

http://www.impactgun...4451000549.html

and a stag

http://www.impactgun...8559001018.html
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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:28 PM

Don't walk away from that DPMS- RUN away.:laugh:
Seriously though- they're really not the greatest rifles ever, despite the price (If it's to good to be true...). Stag is slightly better, but still a good bit less than perfect.
A S&W M&P 15 isn't to bad, but for the price, I'd go back to Spikes.
And I know I keep harping on the same brands over and over- Sorry.:)

Ok let me try the links again- my computer doesn't like the new post page...
BCM Uppers: BCM
M4C General AR Discussion: AR General
M4C Knowledge Base Threads: KBT
"The Chart": AR Chart and Definitions
Now, this chart isn't the beginning and end of all things AR, and it's not meant to be. But it's a great starting point to understanding the terms, as well as getting a feel for what certain companies do. Or don't do...

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:51 PM

Really? I heard Stag and DPMS thrown around a lot so I assumed they were alright =\

Thanks. What about Armalite?

http://www.impactgun...1984088371.html

I know its not your brand but it was the one I forgot to mention earlier since I see now I heard those names because people stray away from them. =p

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:25 AM



check that out for a conversion kit for the .22 cal. also, if you do go with that one, i would suggest getting the stainless steel one for around $180.

and your comment about shooting 5.56 and .223, they are both the same thing, only the 5.56 is a nato round.

ok, on to the gun. I would recommend getting the Bushmaster ORC(optic ready carbine) that is what i got and i love it. it has the shaved down front sight along with the flat top rail. Number of problems 0 ZERO to date, no jamming or anything. Ok, on to the mods... My first mods were adding a Skeleton Stock(collapsible)a quad rail hand guard with broom stick, a set of DPMS flip sights(Mangonel Front and Rear Flip-Up Sights) and an Eotech 552.A56, a bipod and a better flash suppressor to finisher her off.... or so i thought. So after handling the gun and working with it at the range and what not, i didnt like how heavy it was. yea, it looked cool as crap and all the peeps calling it the COD(call of duty) gun lol, i can handle that. But back to it weighing to much... so, i found my some magpul stuff for my gun and quite reasonably priced, might i add. the fist thing i got was the Magpul MOE shroud($35 bucks) along with the illumination kit($20) and the AFGII(was another $35) also, the trigger guard to make it a little easier to maneuver with gloves on($7) And lets not forget the Magpul MIAD grip($30). The only thing i didnt like about the MOE hand guard is that you have to buy the rails extra, which is ok, i guess, if your not going to have rails on all sides(i dont so it worked out well for me. Also, not sure if you can mount a sight on front of that or not so i bought a DPMS single rail gas block($40) So after taking the quad rail off and installing all that on, i will have to say, it is a lot lighter and more comfortable than before and it all started from the ground up.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 04:01 PM

I've def been lookin at the MOE. It looks comfortable and practical.
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 04:06 PM

View Postghostinthewood, on 20 November 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

Really? I heard Stag and DPMS thrown around a lot so I assumed they were alright =\

Thanks. What about Armalite?

http://www.impactgun...1984088371.html

I know its not your brand but it was the one I forgot to mention earlier since I see now I heard those names because people stray away from them. =p

Well, that's usually because that's all most folks know about- if you go in just about any gun shop and ask about BCM or DD, or even Spikes, most of the time all you'll get is a blank look.
In a shop near me, one guy went so far as to say "there's no market for those".:huh:

Can't say about Armalite- I have no experience with them, nor have I ever researched them enough to give a good opinion.

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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say any of these are 'my brand'. I'm not trying to plug one in particular, or force you towards a certain one. I'm just trying to use what I know for kind of 'best of/worst of/bottom acceptable line' examples. The reason I keep going back to Spikes is that for the price, the amount of quality that goes into their rifles can't be beat. If I wasn't hell bent on another brand, I'd be going there.

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and your comment about shooting 5.56 and .223, they are both the same thing, only the 5.56 is a nato round.

And as such, is loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .223, therefore a .223 chambered rifle will not be able to safely handle the NATO round, which is why you should get a rifle with a full 5.56 chamber, as it will be able to handle either.

I agree- after you get an AR, a .22 conversion is a great way to save some money, and still get that AR feel. Now granted for the price of a conversion, I'd rather just get a Ruger 10/22... But still, an interesting option.

I'm going to rain on your parade a little bit- I really don't like that style of stock. :P
But I like the OD magpul accesories- Going to an OD/Black color scheme is an idea I've been mulling over in my head for a while, and I think I'll try it as soon as I get the dollars.
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Posted 21 November 2010 - 04:31 PM

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View Postghostinthewood, on 20 November 2010 - 10:51 PM, said:

Really? I heard Stag and DPMS thrown around a lot so I assumed they were alright =\

Thanks. What about Armalite?

http://www.impactgun...1984088371.html

I know its not your brand but it was the one I forgot to mention earlier since I see now I heard those names because people stray away from them. =p

Well, that's usually because that's all most folks know about- if you go in just about any gun shop and ask about BCM or DD, or even Spikes, most of the time all you'll get is a blank look.
In a shop near me, one guy went so far as to say "there's no market for those".:huh:

Can't say about Armalite- I have no experience with them, nor have I ever researched them enough to give a good opinion.

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Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say any of these are 'my brand'. I'm not trying to plug one in particular, or force you towards a certain one. I'm just trying to use what I know for kind of 'best of/worst of/bottom acceptable line' examples. The reason I keep going back to Spikes is that for the price, the amount of quality that goes into their rifles can't be beat. If I wasn't hell bent on another brand, I'd be going there.

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and your comment about shooting 5.56 and .223, they are both the same thing, only the 5.56 is a nato round.

And as such, is loaded to a higher pressure than civilian .223, therefore a .223 chambered rifle will not be able to safely handle the NATO round, which is why you should get a rifle with a full 5.56 chamber, as it will be able to handle either.

I agree- after you get an AR, a .22 conversion is a great way to save some money, and still get that AR feel. Now granted for the price of a conversion, I'd rather just get a Ruger 10/22... But still, an interesting option.

I'm going to rain on your parade a little bit- I really don't like that style of stock. :P
But I like the OD magpul accesories- Going to an OD/Black color scheme is an idea I've been mulling over in my head for a while, and I think I'll try it as soon as I get the dollars.


yeah, i like the od green, every one is doing the dark earth.... booo be more different, i havent seen any(except mine) that has the od green on it, i love it. as for SPIKE tactical, some of the best custom work i have seen. they have a zombie rifle and a punisher lower... its sick.


.223 conversation:
http://forum.pafoa.o...difference.html

pretty interesting, take a gander

and Ghost, take a look at the bushmaster orc it shoots both 5.56 and .223 and even says so on the sight.

http://www.bushmaste...WVMF16M4ORC.asp

and as for the .223 conversion kit, i would choose that over a new gun. all you do is swap bolts and your ready....

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