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Posted 15 November 2008 - 09:27 PM

Alright heres the scoop, I use a JT Tac-5m Recon, which hasn't really failed me, but I want to upgrade to a better gun.

Looking around, I've seen a LOT of people saying the A-5 is amazing, but I've also seen a fair amount saying Tippman isn't what it used to be. Is it worth saving up for, or should I just go buy an auotcocker off of e-bay?

Oh and if i do get an A-5 is an electro hopper needed or will a grav feed work with the cyclone?

I really only need the gun, as i already have a 20oz and 2 9oz tanks, and plan on getting the new spec ops vest along with a remote line, so i wont be shootin liquid :laugh:

I'm really open to ideas guys I havent really played all that long but i love the sport and its fun to play, so any advice both on the gun and other areas is welcome
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 09:58 PM

View PostTRU3, on Nov 15 2008, 11:27 PM, said:

Alright heres the scoop, I use a JT Tac-5m Recon, which hasn't really failed me, but I want to upgrade to a better gun.

Looking around, I've seen a LOT of people saying the A-5 is amazing, but I've also seen a fair amount saying Tippman isn't what it used to be. Is it worth saving up for, or should I just go buy an auotcocker off of e-bay?

Oh and if i do get an A-5 is an electro hopper needed or will a grav feed work with the cyclone?

I really only need the gun, as i already have a 20oz and 2 9oz tanks, and plan on getting the new spec ops vest along with a remote line, so i wont be shootin liquid ;)

I'm really open to ideas guys I havent really played all that long but i love the sport and its fun to play, so any advice both on the gun and other areas is welcome


Well let's put it this way...I still have my M98 from several years ago and it still works flawlessly.

When the A5 came out, I swore to myself that I had enough markers and wouldn't get one.

So I lied to myself and got a used one anyway...never having known this much (put the tips of your index finger and thumb together) about them...I used it for the first time last Sunday and liked it a lot.

The cyclone does NOT need an electric hopper, nor is one made for it with the wide mouth. Although the BT Ripclip will fit the non-cyclone feed port and IS electric. I like the X7 low profile hopper better than the Triumph-shelled hopper and is more than adequate for the cyclone.

Autocockers can be nightmares to keep in time and unless you are knowledgeable about that process, I'd suggest away from one.
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 10:13 PM

View PostTRU3, on Nov 15 2008, 10:27 PM, said:

a LOT of people saying the A-5 is amazing.
Oh and if i do get an A-5 is an electro hopper needed or will a grav feed work with the cyclone?

I wouldn't call the A5 "amazing". It's just a low end blow back. Which isn't to say there's anything wrong with it. I actually prefer low end blow backs. The A5 comes with the cyclone feed system made onto the marker so you don't need to worry about electric hoppers or gravity feed. I recommend a marker that can accept a variety of loaders so you're not limited to just the cyclone. I would rather have a BT-4 Combat or the 98C.
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Posted 15 November 2008 - 10:15 PM

Mannnn lol soo it sounds good...I'm figuring around $300 total since I only want stock gun, maybe digi, but no full auto (can't afford paint/ cant use it at my field anyway). Add a m4 stock makes it around 250.. plus a 12-14 in smart parts barrel is 50... so yeah I need about 300.. well thats gonna take awhile...Lol man i wish i hada job.
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Posted 16 November 2008 - 09:38 AM

My friend has an a5 and so far has had no problems with it. He got it complete with the A2 kit from SpecOps for 200 but apparently they don't offer that anymore.
If you want a fully modded gun like the a5 minus the cyclone look into the U.S. Army Alpha Black Tactical. They're made by Tippmann and are about 150. They look almost exactly like an m4.

Do not get an autococker unless you are prepared to spend a lot of time learning how to time it. If you want something other than a blow-back, get an automag. They don't require much up keep and are a lot smoother then you average a5.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 12:42 AM

Please do not go into a Tippmann buying spree. This means spending anything above, I would say, $150 on a Tippy.

Tippmanns are not bad guns. I have an A-5 from the Tippmann era when they were going downhill, but before they really started to get hated on.

Is it good? Hell yeah.
Does it work? All the time.
Is it awesome? I love my A-5 and will never sell it.

That said, is it worth $300 (even with "upgrades")?
Not by any stretch of the imagination.

$300 can get you far in paintball to be honest, as long as you ditch some of the gear you don't need. The problem with Tippmann is that they're money pits. If me and you (TC) both had $300, and a month to get a marker up and running, and you bought that A-5, I guarantee you that I could find a marker that out-performs it in every way, and maybe even spend LESS money.

What I'm saying is, $300 into an A-5 does not equal $300 of performance. Tippmanns have plastic triggers, poor construction, and a very stupid design (the clamshell). The clamshell is probably the biggest draw back. It makes the gun look cheap, makes cleaning it a female dog, and is made of sub-par materials to boot. People will say they can clean their A-5 in a few minutes. To these people, the only thing I have to say is, "so what?"

I can take down and clean every part of my Mag in just a few seconds. One screw (that's heavy duty) is all you need to remove.

Tippmanns also are very bulky, and Spec Ops likes to market the A-5 and X-7 as having a "low-profile." In reality, the A-5 is only ~1" shorter than my Tac-One when both have hoppers on. I think the bulky receiver nullifies this advantage anyway.

With $300, you could probably find some used electros that are on the cheap side (but you would need HPA) and you could find tons of Cockers and Classic Mags.

My suggestion to you, flat out, is a Classic Automag. It isn't pretty, but then again, if you think paintball is a fashion show, you have the wrong sport.

If you don't feel the Mag, I would suggest a Cocker. Yeah, you have to time it, but watch some Cocker videos. Watching a perfectly timed Cocker that YOU timed is a truly gorgeous thing, and there is nothing as satisfying as watching that back block move. Also, if I'm not mistaken (that's my disclaimer), the fastest cycling gun without paint was an Autococker, and the fastest with paint was an Automag.

All that said, are Tippmanns bad? No. I have debated saving some cash up and tricking out my A-5 to an amazing extent, and selling my Tac-One to fund it. But the difference is I've been playing for years, and at this point I know exactly what I want my marker to feel like, and how I want it to function, and the money I would be spending on it would be dedicated to changing the feel rather than the performance (mostly). I am not trying to say that I am a superior player, but I think you are expecting an A-5 to reach a performance level that would be much cheaper and easier to reach with a different marker.

Oh, and to all the people saying that Autocockers are hard to time, they're not. It isn't easy to perfect, but it isn't hard to do and it's not something that requires a whole lot of time to do, or even learn. There's a great video I've seen on how to do it. It is a true skill and I don't even own a Cocker, but once you learn it and know what you're doing, you'll probably find yourself tinkering with the gun just to see what you can get it to do more than anything. If you feel like maintaining a marker is a chore (which is by no means a bad thing) you will not like Cockers. But if you like to tinker with paintball guns in general, you will probably fall in love with them.

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:57 AM

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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:35 PM

Bah i don't know, Lol. As of now, I'm not looking into a A-5 anymore. Personally looking into a PROTO SLG (black) for a few reasons.

One- I play woodsball so it'll stay on semi unless i get bored, also, for the same price i can get 3 45/3k tanks as i could a single like 68/4500, if not cheaper depending where i buy.

Two- i honestly don't play an awful lot (sad i know, wish i played more but my co2 sucks when it drop to anything less than 50 degrees) so i dont blow off that much paint. Hence, 3 45/3k tanks with say 650 shots per, is 1950 shots..roughly depending on velocity soo yeah equal it out make it 1500 for easyness. I dont think for how little ive played that ive shot a complete case of paint yet, as i try to make my shots count, even with a semi ( i know its scary in todays world with all the neat-o electros and people that spray and pray isnt it.)

Three- again i only play woodsball-black will blend in good and the gun itself comes with a nice 11" barrel so i wont be upgrading that part for awhile.

Four- As much fun as timing my own Cocker sounds, im kinda slack in certain areas, hence i'd probly get annoyed if i kept getting it wrong and just sell it to a friend.

Five- It's semi high-end, more in the middle, so its built fairly well in my opinion (that and it's made by DYE, and last time i checked they were still making real nice markers.)

Soo added up, i roughly need around at least 325$ for the proto, one hpa tank, and a new hopper, as i have everything except air and an electric hopper (only needs to do like 15 b/s if im leaving it on semi, so thats like 30-40$ then add tax and shipping from wherever)

PS-- also, im only like 15, so when i get a job, i wont really have much else to spend money on so as long as its under 500$, it doesnt really bother me all that much
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 01:40 PM

Well, I was thinking about getting the A5 myself, but I decided on the X7. It is much more customizable.
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Posted 18 November 2008 - 04:51 PM

The SLG seems nice, but it isn't going to be held to as high of a standard as teh rest of the markers they make. And if you want to get technical, black isn't a very good "camouflage" color at all -- it creates depth. But that's nothing to worry about, especially with something as small as a marker.

If you're big on saving paint, I would still suggest an Automag. You could try and get a RT-ULE Custom ($480 new I think) which is the same as a Tac-One, and a true high end marker, even though it's mechanical. If not, there's other cheaper electros like the Invert Mini and all of them. Mags also come with really nice barrels. My Tac-One came with a really kick butt J&J barrel. There are definitely better barrels on the market but for a stock barrel, it's pretty sick.

When it comes to air tanks, a 3000psi fill is different than a 4500psi fill, and not all shops can do 4500. So that's also something to look into.

Either way, the SLG is a huge step up from the A-5 for sure and I think most people are happy with them.
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Posted 19 November 2008 - 12:13 AM

E-Tac One. It will fulfill ALL your needs and take a beating to boot.....
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