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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:25 PM

So few guys on my woodsball team, and couple other friends of mine are thinking about doing more speedball. We love woodsball, but just not enough field variations or scenerio's nearby to add any excitment, and actually put our full potential as a woodsball team. Seeing as there are plenty of speedball fields nearby, the new challange would be exciting.

So basically I'm attached to the mini, I played with one awhile ago and loved it. Mainly I'm interested on if there are various types of mini's out there, as well as what the cost for one might be. Upgrades, if any I should get. I already have freak incerts so any good barrels out there that accepts them? I think the mini takes cocker threads if I'm not mistaking. Anyways, any additional information about equipment that is good for speedball will be appreciated.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:57 PM

I'm sure you have one, but a 4500 PSI tank. Steel 3000 PSI are impossible to play with.

And a good hopper.
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Posted 10 April 2009 - 11:10 PM

Didn't even think of a hopper...Been playing Stock Class so long I even forgot that was a part of a marker set up. I'll probably get a 68ci/4500 since they get 1200-1400shots.

Any good compatable hoppers that have an easy feed and good speedfeed rate, low profile, can get good bounces, and is designed to tuck in towards the neck?
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:27 AM

VLocity and Rotor are the only things I would buy new. The prophecy looks promising though.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:34 AM

My buddie has a Mini and he loves it. Dont worrie to much about the barrel. first make sure you can use it ( hopper and tank)

Your best option is to try and buy a used Mini. new mini's are really expensive ( the price went up recently) and a second generation mini in good condition can go for about 250$.

you may want to stay away from first generation Mini's becuase there were alot of minor problems with them ( but the 2nd gen fixed most of them)

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 12:48 PM

Had my Mini for a while now, and I love it for speed and woods play- if I'm not playing pump, it's usually the first marker I grab from the collection, now. Honestly, it works well as-is, and you don't need to worry too much about upgrades. I haven't really done much to mine, and it performs very well. If you don't like the trigger, you can change that, and there are board, barrels and bolts you can buy, but I'd wait and see if you think you need to change anything, as you probably won't.
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Posted 11 April 2009 - 03:13 PM

View PostAgnoeo, on Apr 11 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

Didn't even think of a hopper...Been playing Stock Class so long I even forgot that was a part of a marker set up. I'll probably get a 68ci/4500 since they get 1200-1400shots.

Any good compatable hoppers that have an easy feed and good speedfeed rate, low profile, can get good bounces, and is designed to tuck in towards the neck?



I'd recommend a 56/45 instead of 68/45 unless you have longer arms. 56/45 is about as long as a 45/45 but is thicker. Perfect size IMO.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:08 AM

A 56/4500 is hard to find, though. Check out Ninja's 50/4500. Great tank, great reg, great price.

Vlocity Jr with an upgraded chip, or a fullsize Vlocity is good for the money. Rotors are good. Prophecies look good, but I've never seen one in use.

Minis have nice stock barrels...

...but honestly, I don't care much for the Mini. The short distance from grip to foregrip makes it very hard to stabilize on a run or a swivel. The transfer tube in the body has a tendency to snap. They're downright uncomfortable IMO. I would suggest a PMR, SLG, or Lasoya Promaster instead. A used PMR runs $200-$300, as does an SLG. The PMR is more 'smooth', whereas the SLG has more of a 'snap' as the sear releases but if more efficient and is faster. The Lasoya Promaster was a $500 gun that is on eBay now, for $75 if you submit a Best Offer to firstcallpaintball. They shoot like an Etek. A little bit of recoil, but reliable and fast, and the inline regulator is an Air America, which is far superior to the ICD stock regs.

Get some nice soccer cleats or cross country flats, if you can. Speedball involves speed, and is usually muddy and slippery- or dried out, hardpacked and slippery. Get some pants designed for paintball- Invert makes nice pants at a reasonable cost, but Eclipse, JT, Empire, and DYE pants are nice if you find them on sale. Get knee/shin pads and elbow/forearm pads. You'll need to slide, and it can hurt. Maybe even invest in a football girdle and some hip pads (or baseball slider shorts).

Although, supposing you want a Mini, no questions: great stock barrel, just don't be taking apart your transfer tube (inside the gripframe) as it's very fragile. Get a stubby tank, since you cannot use a drop. 48/4500, 50/4500, and 70/4500 (if you shoot a LOT) are good sizes.

For harnesses, the Empire hinge packs are awesome, but pricey. I have a CP Advantage 3+2+2 pack and like it. Find pods with collared lids if you can (DYE Locklids, Odyssey, Worr, etc) and don't mind the extra cost, as they open more reliably and stay shut more reliably, and are less fragile. For a gearbag, I use a towel wrapped around my gun, and a backpack or duffel bag.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 03:16 PM

View Postflyweightnate, on Apr 12 2009, 01:08 PM, said:

A 56/4500 is hard to find, though. Check out Ninja's 50/4500. Great tank, great reg, great price.



Maybe I was just lucky, or maybe its just my area, but it was really easy for me to find mine, same with a friend, and I know a couple are up for sale used locally.

Ninja tanks are really nice too though.
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Posted 12 April 2009 - 03:23 PM

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Posted 14 April 2009 - 01:37 PM

As someone who has just recently moved from a woodsballer to a playing both let me tell you how I went about it. First off I looked into what i call " Hybrid" gear. Gear that can be used in woodsball and speedball. For example I got a Dangerous Power G3 SE, which is very light so its great for both and has a good ROF which is also good for both. And instead of a flashy color I went with Brown/Black, which goes well in almost any environment. As far as hopper, most electric hoppers seem very cumbersome and in the way. I went with a Dye Rotor because it has a very nice short body(compared to most force-fed hoppers), and still gives me the speed I need in speedball. As far as a pod pack, just a simple 4 pod will work nicely. Walmart carries a Viewloader 4 pod pack that I love and its cheap which is nice. Tank really depends on what marker you get. If you do get a mini, you will want a smaller size tank to get good balance when you are holding it. But like I said get gear that will work in both speedball and woodsball.
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Posted 17 April 2009 - 02:48 PM

View Postflyweightnate, on Apr 12 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

A 56/4500 is hard to find, though. Check out Ninja's 50/4500. Great tank, great reg, great price.

Vlocity Jr with an upgraded chip, or a fullsize Vlocity is good for the money. Rotors are good. Prophecies look good, but I've never seen one in use.

Minis have nice stock barrels...

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Get some nice soccer cleats or cross country flats, if you can. Speedball involves speed, and is usually muddy and slippery- or dried out, hardpacked and slippery. Get some pants designed for paintball- Invert makes nice pants at a reasonable cost, but Eclipse, JT, Empire, and DYE pants are nice if you find them on sale. Get knee/shin pads and elbow/forearm pads. You'll need to slide, and it can hurt. Maybe even invest in a football girdle and some hip pads (or baseball slider shorts).

Although, supposing you want a Mini, no questions: great stock barrel, just don't be taking apart your transfer tube (inside the gripframe) as it's very fragile. Get a stubby tank, since you cannot use a drop. 48/4500, 50/4500, and 70/4500 (if you shoot a LOT) are good sizes.

For harnesses, the Empire hinge packs are awesome, but pricey. I have a CP Advantage 3+2+2 pack and like it. Find pods with collared lids if you can (DYE Locklids, Odyssey, Worr, etc) and don't mind the extra cost, as they open more reliably and stay shut more reliably, and are less fragile. For a gearbag, I use a towel wrapped around my gun, and a backpack or duffel bag.

I'd use anything by Crossy, DXS, CP, or GA before ninja.

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Stock barrels are stock barrels. Theyre over-bored. Meh.

A lot of people stretch their fingers with a lot of other markers and even some other markers have comparible grips, but theyre just not as fat so they dont look at short. PMRs and SLGs are crap and Promasters have no backing. If a promaster breaks youre screwed. KEE has a limited life time warranty...

Footwear is preference. I personally use football cletes since track shoes werent great on turf. Plus football cletes, especially the plastic removable ones, have long spikes. So long as theyre not metal youre fine. Paintball specific cletes look fine though. However, some people like the light track/soccer cletes and running shoes. I never liked DYE pants. They seemed hot. This years JTs are legit but it seems like everyone has the old ones. Same as this year's Eclipse. Again, personal preference. I find elbow/forearm pads more important than knee pads. You get hit more in your arms and theyre more sensitive than most people's knees. Plus theyre more susceptible to rug burn. I spent $50 on dye elbow pads and $6 on volleyball knee pads. Again, personal preference. Slider shorts with pads built in are a great idea but I havnt invested in any yet. I havnt had a NEED to, but its definitely a good idea.

Change your barrel t a barrel kit on any marker, ever unless you shoot sponsored paint and can buy a single barrel to match the paint you'll use at all the events you go to. If you like to overbore your paint, which picked up in recent years, then go for whatever. Thats not my thing so I cant say anything else about it. I've played a lot with my Mini and if you look at my ASA that is testament: I have not broken my transfer tube. Rule of thumb, for any set up, is get a tank that will be as long as your forearm from the ASA for proper form. I'm 5'9'' and my 60ci Crossy a bit long and my 48ci DXS is a bit too short.

Packs are a lot of preference too. I personally dont like huge back supports but a lot of people do. So long as it has solid straps, decent ejection, it holds together, and has a man purse I'm fine. However, I do want to get some of NXe's new oens just because the material is more smooth and is much easier to wipe off. It sucks when you get shot out one game and have to turn around and get a 1 for 1 because you didnt couldnt completely wipe down the hit between some pods. Dye pods suck. I have a couple adn everyone else I know just uses them for target pratice. The lid is seperate from the pod and after some abuse, they come apart very easily. I put tape around my seams so they wont do that any more but I'm not going to buy any new ones (not that I bought them anyway, they were given to me). Body Bags were on sale for awhile, theyre cheap looking but theyre as good as anything else. Gear bags are needed, I need one and I dont have one. Very much a pain.

VL packs are crap. I shouldnt have to explain that one...


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Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:24 AM

Does the Mini use a High Pressure or Low Pressure Hpa tank? Im assuming an LP tank at round 450PSI but Im not 100% sure.
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 08:39 AM

View PostHollywoodMarine, on Apr 22 2009, 10:24 AM, said:

Does the Mini use a High Pressure or Low Pressure Hpa tank? Im assuming an LP tank at round 450PSI but Im not 100% sure.


A mini can use either actually.

It has a regulator on the marker to lower it to operational pressure.

Only older angels require the LP tank, every other marker out there that takes HPA can accept the high pressure output.
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