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PMR vs. Proto SLG read ? first

Poll: PMRvs.SLG (23 member(s) have cast votes)

PMR or SLG?

  1. Proto Matrix Rail (15 votes [65.22%])

    Percentage of vote: 65.22%

  2. Proto SLG (8 votes [34.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 34.78%

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Posted 20 April 2008 - 11:11 AM

Which should i choose?
efficiency and upgrades are important to me it seems the pmr has bad efficiency though but the slg few upgrades
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 02:45 PM

i looked at pb review and decided on the pmr, but whats the difference between PMR and PMR Special Edition?
Also, how many bps does the invert mini get?
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 02:48 PM

All I can answer out of that is that the Mini's board is capped at 20BPS, although it can go faster if you get a new board, for sure. Although 20BPS is faster than you'll ever need anyway.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 02:49 PM

Grab the PMR SE. It has the common upgrades from factory. Metal back cap, better feed neck, 2 tone, metal eye covers.

The PMR is a spoolie design and will not get the best air efficiency but it's a good marker.


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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:03 PM

would you get the pmr se over the invert mini?
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:07 PM

tippmann14, on Apr 22 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

would you get the pmr se over the invert mini?



I'd wear Dye underwear if they made it. So ..... yeah. :laugh:



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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:12 PM

slinkyaroo, on Apr 22 2008, 06:07 PM, said:

tippmann14, on Apr 22 2008, 06:03 PM, said:

would you get the pmr se over the invert mini?



I'd wear Dye underwear if they made it. So ..... yeah. :laugh:



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what do you mean? why would you choose it?
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:17 PM

Dye makes some good stuff, but Empire ( Invert) has a good reputation. Try them both out and see what you like. I use a ProtoPM6 and love the heck out of it, but have never shot a mini, so i could not tell you. it will be no faster than any other gun, most are capped at 20bps and legal limit is 15.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:18 PM

First thing - I like drop forwards - this totally eliminates the Mini to a marker I would want.

Dye/Proto markers have always been well made products plus you can UL grip a PMR.

There are after market bolts that will give better air efficiency.


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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:22 PM

slinkyaroo, on Apr 22 2008, 06:18 PM, said:

First thing - I like drop forwards - this totally eliminates the Mini to a marker I would want.

Dye/Proto markers have always been well made products plus you can UL grip a PMR.

There are after market bolts that will give better air efficiency.


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i dont know which to get though because i wouldnt use drop forward-run remote, wouldnt spend the $ on the UL frame, and the mini also has aftermarket bolts
theyre even for me
is the pmr se smaller than the invert mini?(it says its .05 pounds lighter)
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:25 PM

I really doubt the PMR SE is lighter than the Mini, but even if it is... will you really notice 0.05 pounds?

Personally I'm not a big fan of PMRs, and I love the Mini I just got. But I've never actually played with either one, so I can't say all too much about it. I do prefer poppets to spools usually, and the Mini is a poppet, and the PMR a spool. Although the Mini looks and feels more like a spool than the poppet it is.

I love Dye/Proto and Empire/Invert equally, so that's not affecting anything :laugh:.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:29 PM

Z3R0, on Apr 22 2008, 06:25 PM, said:

I really doubt the PMR SE is lighter than the Mini, but even if it is... will you really notice 0.05 pounds?

Personally I'm not a big fan of PMRs, and I love the Mini I just got. But I've never actually played with either one, so I can't say all too much about it. I do prefer poppets to spools usually, and the Mini is a poppet, and the PMR a spool. Although the Mini looks and feels more like a spool than the poppet it is.

I love Dye/Proto and Empire/Invert equally, so that's not affecting anything :laugh:.

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i mean smaller or same size

whats difference between poppet and spool?
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:35 PM

The Mini is the smallest full-size marker you can get. Sure, a pistol running on 12grams may be a little smaller overall, but it's not even the same kind of marker anyway.

Poppet valve markers use a ram or hammer to open the valve (in the Mini's case, it uses air pressure to control the poppet). Spool valve markers use air pressure alone to cycle the bolt back and forth, and by moving forward, the bolt lets air through it. I'll get you some animations of common poppets and spools.

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EDIT: Poppet valves (blowbacks in this case):
Spyder:
http://www.zdspb.com...ions/spyder.gif

Tippmann:
http://www.zdspb.com...imations/a5.gif

Electropneumatic poppet valves:
Ego:
http://www.zdspb.com.../ego1_large.gif

Mini (Pressure Controlled Poppet, or PCP. Nothing else works the same way):
http://www.zdspb.com/media/tech/animations...ert_v3_7fps.gif


Spool valves:
PMR:
http://www.zdspb.com...ns/rail8fps.gif

Matrixes (DM's and PM's):
http://www.zdspb.com.../dm4_medium.gif


Now, you say efficiency and upgrades are important to you. Well, I believe the Mini is a little more efficient than the PMR stock. You can add aftermarket bolts to increase PMR efficiency, but you can do the same to a Mini, and if both have upgraded bolts, the Mini is still more efficient. However, you have many more upgrades available if you go for a PMR. That's mostly because more people have PMR's than Mini's, so there's more of a market, but I also believe that Mini's just really don't need any upgrades, and the stock parts are about as good as they can get. Many really highend markers are the same way, for example Angels, Droids, and Cyborgs have very few options for upgrades, but they all offer top-knotch performance stock anyway. Egos and Timmies are also really highend, but have a lot of "upgrade" options - but if you really look at it, most of these "upgrades" don't do anything for performance, they're just colour kits, cool shaped triggers, and different grips :laugh:. There are a few internal upgrades available for all of these highend markers I'm talking about, but most of them don't have a noticeable difference. Zick kits (Egos) and Eigenrams (Timmies) will make performance differences, but there isn't much else you can do to them to change performance.

The Mini can get a spring kit and a new bolt to lower kick and increase efficiency (made by NDZ and someone else... maybe Tech T?). The PMR also has bolt upgrades available, made by many companies. I think one of the higher praised PMR bolts is the Tech T L7.

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:45 PM

Honestly I would question if a mini is smaller than my PM8 or an SLG.



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Posted 22 April 2008 - 03:53 PM

I wouldn't. Just by pictures you should be able to tell, assuming the frames are roughly the same size (which they are).

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