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Posted 26 February 2008 - 10:23 AM

IM GLAD!!! Yeah I just had that forwarded to me. Hopefully now more teams will sign up!! The more the merrier!!!

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 10:18 AM

I'm surprisingly let down by the SE teams. I was hoping the SE would put in more teams this year. Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a move to FT Carson in Colorado Springs so I won't be able to attend, but if I was in the area I would definitely be in the qualifier. I may end up playing at the Utah qualifier though... who knows...

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 01:55 PM

Yeah was expecting more teams from Fl to come up for it. Who knows maybe they are waiting for the deadline

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Posted 28 February 2008 - 09:01 PM

Just so everyone knows. I will not cancell a qualifer this year. They will all go down. I am suprised too that more teams have not showed up. This is usually one of our best events and Billy always does an amazing job.

I would like to know why some teams aren't going. I will make another post to this effect. It would be interesting to find out why. We are always trying to do out best to make the league better and I think we have made some great strides this year. Check out my other post on this issue to make comments and let me know your suggestions.
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Posted 04 March 2008 - 08:02 PM

View PostSchloob, on Feb 28 2008, 11:01 PM, said:

Just so everyone knows. I will not cancell a qualifer this year. They will all go down. I am suprised too that more teams have not showed up. This is usually one of our best events and Billy always does an amazing job.

I would like to know why some teams aren't going. I will make another post to this effect. It would be interesting to find out why. We are always trying to do out best to make the league better and I think we have made some great strides this year. Check out my other post on this issue to make comments and let me know your suggestions.


I'll say this as myself and my views or statements do not reflect that of anyone but myself.
Remember what happened to Joy Division with the NPPL? They left the league due to the refereeing. I, as well as many others know reffing isn't the most glamorous job on earth. (I reff weekly at my local field) During last year's Southeast Qualifier the reffing staff provided was biased towards most teams who were not the field's sponsored teams.
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 07:39 AM

Gdude, what do you mean biased, Crosstown won, BC Army came in second, LCP Army was third. You must mean biased against home teams.
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Posted 05 March 2008 - 09:35 AM

View PostGdude2008, on Mar 4 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

View PostSchloob, on Feb 28 2008, 11:01 PM, said:

Just so everyone knows. I will not cancell a qualifer this year. They will all go down. I am suprised too that more teams have not showed up. This is usually one of our best events and Billy always does an amazing job.

I would like to know why some teams aren't going. I will make another post to this effect. It would be interesting to find out why. We are always trying to do out best to make the league better and I think we have made some great strides this year. Check out my other post on this issue to make comments and let me know your suggestions.


I'll say this as myself and my views or statements do not reflect that of anyone but myself.
Remember what happened to Joy Division with the NPPL? They left the league due to the refereeing. I, as well as many others know reffing isn't the most glamorous job on earth. (I reff weekly at my local field) During last year's Southeast Qualifier the reffing staff provided was biased towards most teams who were not the field's sponsored teams.
Again, my views and opinions are my own and does not reflect that of my team/sponsors/affiliates :mellow:



Well, Jayson is doing is best this year to get the reffing dilemma rectified. I have had previous concerns during the previous SPPL Qualifiers and Finals. I played with Gridlock during previous seasons and have a new team "Regime" (75% of the old Gridlock) that will be competing in the Elite division.

With that being said, it is up to us as players to step up and help this league grow in size and legitimise. This year besides competing in 2 to 3 qualifiers and the finals. I also will be Head reffing Georgia, Tennessee and New York this year. I know many other players are doing the same. If you have concerns come out and help ref some events, not just head ref, but be part of the field staff. Teams like the Irregulators and many others are doing so. They and many others have really made a difference in the events they have done this in.

Plus, with this years rule changes. It should alleviate a lot of the problems that happened on the field in previous years.

On another note, Curt is XF going to be at this qualifier. If so may be we can get together for Dinner on Friday night. It's always good to see a fellow WOLVERINE!

If not, maybe I will see you at the ELITE WEEKEND. Third I and I will be instructors this year, HA HA
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 06:35 AM

View PostSTS1, on Mar 5 2008, 09:39 AM, said:

Gdude, what do you mean biased, Crosstown won, BC Army came in second, LCP Army was third. You must mean biased against home teams.


I didn't mean against. I was meaning to say that some of the calls/decisions that the reffs made affected the outcome of the tournament. Something just isn't right when the field supplies the refferees and fields two teams in the tournament. There's much to be done to fix that, Billy has to use anyone he has for refferees, and most are very good people, players and reffs, but the quicker the SPPL can supply reffs, the better.
The SPPL's reffs have more of an effect of the outcome of a match or tourney because they're not only checking for penalties and hits, but they have to do the canisters and cover a large field.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:42 AM

not too sure about what you are talking about. if the refs were biased in any way, dont you think the home team would of finished #1? i have reffed the fields numerous times, and believe me, it is a HARD job.they did the absolute best they possibly could. and remember, they are there for SAFETY, not to make sure a player calls him/herself out when they get shot.
sounds like someone played 1 round and that is it. maybe got shot up by some noobs and old men, and had to blane someone(hey, i know, it is the refs fault!!)

i think instead of worrying about the refs, you should worry about your fellow players doing the right thing....

and speaking about the right thing, HEY SPEC OPS, WHEN ARE THE 2007 QUALIFYER TEAMS GOING TO RECIEVE THEIR AWARDS???? SEVERAL DID NOT AS OF YET. WHAT IS THE DEAL????
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Posted 06 March 2008 - 07:34 PM

I havent played a SPPl yet but NPPl left due to bad calls that were not corrected. The refs werent home team etc etc. They left due to multiple bad calls that were not corrected.


Reffing is a very hard job, I reffed for the PSP. I give reffs major props but Im a player not a watcher. Reffs are always hard to come by. I know the PSP had certain head reff that are at every event and were in charge of that field. they were paid more than a reg reff, they had more knowledge and were responsible for what went down at the field. Xball is the same- a 5min major can change the game.

Has SPPl thought about haveing 1 or 2 of their own ppl(non sppl players) run a field at each of the qualifer to make sure their were no problems with the refs on the field?

Foolshooter is right though, the players also are responsible for their own actions.

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Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:28 PM

View Postfoolshooter, on Mar 6 2008, 07:42 AM, said:

not too sure about what you are talking about. if the refs were biased in any way, dont you think the home team would of finished #1? i have reffed the fields numerous times, and believe me, it is a HARD job.they did the absolute best they possibly could. and remember, they are there for SAFETY, not to make sure a player calls him/herself out when they get shot.
sounds like someone played 1 round and that is it. maybe got shot up by some noobs and old men, and had to blane someone(hey, i know, it is the refs fault!!)

i think instead of worrying about the refs, you should worry about your fellow players doing the right thing....

and speaking about the right thing, HEY SPEC OPS, WHEN ARE THE 2007 QUALIFYER TEAMS GOING TO RECIEVE THEIR AWARDS???? SEVERAL DID NOT AS OF YET. WHAT IS THE DEAL????



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Posted 06 March 2008 - 08:30 PM

View Post-z-, on Mar 6 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

I havent played a SPPl yet but NPPl left due to bad calls that were not corrected. The refs werent home team etc etc. They left due to multiple bad calls that were not corrected.


Reffing is a very hard job, I reffed for the PSP. I give reffs major props but Im a player not a watcher. Reffs are always hard to come by. I know the PSP had certain head reff that are at every event and were in charge of that field. they were paid more than a reg reff, they had more knowledge and were responsible for what went down at the field. Xball is the same- a 5min major can change the game.

Has SPPl thought about haveing 1 or 2 of their own ppl(non sppl players) run a field at each of the qualifer to make sure their were no problems with the refs on the field?

Foolshooter is right though, the players also are responsible for their own actions.

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 05:34 AM

View Postfoolshooter, on Mar 6 2008, 09:42 AM, said:

not too sure about what you are talking about. if the refs were biased in any way, dont you think the home team would of finished #1? i have reffed the fields numerous times, and believe me, it is a HARD job.they did the absolute best they possibly could. and remember, they are there for SAFETY, not to make sure a player calls him/herself out when they get shot.
sounds like someone played 1 round and that is it. maybe got shot up by some noobs and old men, and had to blane someone(hey, i know, it is the refs fault!!)

i think instead of worrying about the refs, you should worry about your fellow players doing the right thing....

and speaking about the right thing, HEY SPEC OPS, WHEN ARE THE 2007 QUALIFYER TEAMS GOING TO RECIEVE THEIR AWARDS???? SEVERAL DID NOT AS OF YET. WHAT IS THE DEAL????


I know not to blame a reff. I'm not quite that stupid, I am a reff at my local field and I get yelled at from players for not doing paint checks when I need to be standing by the entrance/ exit to the field making sure they have barrel covers and masks on.
One of the incidents I am reffering to was in the Semi-Final of last year's Southeast Qualifier on Field 1. XF VS LCP ARMY. Multiple reffs were telling me where the LCP ARMY players were and visa-versa. The locations they said happened to not be true, but the point was that the reffs were not acting as reffs should in any circumstances. Another incident happened to do with points, others reguarding bounderies and supposed "playing on". The point I'm trying to get across is that some teams were turned away from the Southeast Qualifer because of the reffs from previous actions at the 2007 Qualifier. And like Joy's situation, the bad calls were made but due to the limited amount of time for them to be corrected they were not, whether it was a team's fault or the reff's fault ultimately it was not resolved.

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Posted 07 March 2008 - 11:07 AM

Its deplorable that refs would report an opposing team's position. I agree with you completely Gdude. Keep in mind, however, that the league is making a good faith effort to improve the reffing situation. They have made rule modifications every season to make things better for the players. I have played in 7 events in two years and can say things have gotten better every single time! This year is no different. Consider giving it another chance and remember that a new league, business, whatever is always a work in progress.
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Posted 08 March 2008 - 06:35 AM

Unfortunately, bad calls are always going to happen, not matter what sport you're involved in. That's the human element that will never be perfect. That doesn't mean we have to accept it and I will always strive for perfection. Does that mean I will achive it? Problably not. Does it mean I won't TINKLE someone off along the way? Of course not. (I do that anyways just to keep it real :))

But it's difficult to fix problems if don't know about them. If there are problems, not just the stuff forum jokeys drum up, I want to hear about them. I wasn't at the Georgia qualifier last year and wasn't aware of these issue. But now that I am aware, you can bet I will do something about it. Not only at Low Country but at all the SPPL events. I will make sure to tell the field owners and refs that home cookin will not be allowed. If I hear about it, I will address it. If I see it first hand or my head refs see it first hand, that person will be asked to leave.

We do are best but don't take my chest pouding "we're going to bust you" attitude to mean that we won't make mistakes. We all screw up, even in our jobs and this is a job for me and all my refs. I am sure everyone reading this post made a mistake on their job last week. You PERTURBED off your boss or a customer but your still employeed right? Your boss didn't give up on you and most likely a customer won't give up on you either as long as you try to make it right.

And that is what I am here to do, "make it right" So let me know about challenges and issues as soon as you can (a year later is kind of tough though) and I'll see what I can do. This doesn't mean will always agree, but at least will understand one another and you'll understand why I did what I did or why I can't enforce a call that your bother's girl friend's counsin's nephew's mom heard standing at the port-a-potty. :panzer: :blink: ......................................... :D

Once again, I can't thank you enough for your support of the SPPL. It couldn't make it without you.

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