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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:44 PM

Here's what I believe a paint ball sniper is;

I think there are multiple layers to paint ball sniper, so I'll simply post attributes and the reasons I think they should be worked into a definition.

Mastery of the art of concealment. One thing that separates a paint ball sniper from a sharp shooter would be the concealment. It doesn't mater how good a shot you are if the enemy spots you before you can take it. Concealment is also something paintballers can do.

Tactics: When you say that a sniper isn't to useful since they wait a ling time and only hit one guy, you are seeing a sniper that needs to work on his tactics. For paint ball snipers positioning and tactics are key. One common and successful way to get more kills is to hide by spots that slot of people go through. You can also hide on top of hills or other strategic places. If you pic the right spots, you can often have much mire kills. I once had a game of 10 on 10 in woods ball. I decided to hide next to a high traffic crossing of a creek. I could tell by the smashed down grass along that spot and the cloudy water. During the game got 5 people out. Obviously I can't proved that happened, so we can't use it as a good example.

Accuracy/ marksmanship: ofcoarse every one knows a sniper has to have a good shot. This doesn't necessarily have to be a far shot like 800 yard, it justneeds to be better that most other players on the field. In paint ball some people use first strikes to improve their accuracy. This leads to more hits per shot, but not nesisarely marks man ship. You have to practice alot to become a marks man. I think in paint ball that means making one or two shot kills regularly rather thanthe spray and pray meathod. I and many others on the ACES and Tiberius forums have reported one shot one kills on a regular basis. Considerig that there are hunderds of people between both forums, it's unlikely we are all lieing.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 08:14 PM

Alrighty, time to chim in and see whats up:

I do not Believe "paintball snipers" Exist or should be used as a term, NOR do I believe that you should sidestep the term and use marksmen or anything else then that.

Here is why:

Paintball and Real warefare are Two totally different applications, with totally different tools. the rules of one, do not translate into the rules of another.

For example: We obviously would not use the tools of war during paintball ( Dur? ) [ but it is very amusing to see the tools of paintball replicate the tools of war, but that's another argument

OR: We generally do not use the applications of war, during the applications of paintball. IE shooting, and moving with a rifle. =/= moving and shooting with a paint marker.

So with that in mind, Sniper, and Paintball sniper are NOT RELATED, in any sense, even if the word "paintball" is attached to it, to slightly modify its meaning.

So why doesnt a sniper exist in paintball. simple really.
Everything that defines a military sniper, is just Basic skills to a paintball player. (Those skills applied to real world ranges of course)

Crawling, stealth/sneakyness/ninja-ness, Communication, relay info, Taking shots, spacing shots, gorilla attacks, ect ect. Pretty much sum up a daily paintball players bag of tricks, And we already have a term for that skill set.
Every player wants to shoot "Doorbells/boobs/lasers/money" so we all underbore and get 14" barrels and consistent markers, Not because we want under bored tit shooting lasers.

We want Accurate markers, we want to be able to eliminate every target on the first shot BUT paintball does not allow that on a consistant basis, Even FS rounds are plauged by physics and have nowhere near the Accuracy ratings of a real bullet.
Shooting good isnt a "sniper skill" Its a Damn wish we all want to have fulfilled. sniper or not.

And yes, we all get the "one shot hits" Its a basic woodsball rule, If there is a dude walking towards you. Let him get closer till you know you can hit him with 1 shot. It saves paint, saves effort. saves frantically trying to get shots 2-3-4-5-6 in. the renters get exited and shoot from a mile away.
The rest of us just get closer till we hit you or offer a mercy.

field awareness: Seeing high traffic area's once again. NOT a sniper skill. not by any means, Hell anyone who goes camping once a year could look at rambled down grass and say... Hmm... must be a path.
it does not take a military snipers training to discover that trampled grass, weeds, turned over leafs all mean "crap went through here" a little pro tips from the ref or the dude with the pump could tell you what paths are used most. Hell, If I knew i was on a heavily used path. screw a one shot wonder buddy, Give me the kid with the Luxe, Were going to set up one hell of a ambush.

Paintball player.

You cover fire for one game, maybe the next you sneak around some bushes, maybe a few seconds later you crawl into a nook and line up a shot. hit a guy, then when you figure out that everyone elses paintball markers shoot the same distance yours do. ditch the sneaky act and fire away while rushing/retreating/yelling "this is sparta"

Paintball games are to fluid, to dynamic to have a specific skill set which can be used, while others are ignored. For a player to spend all day crawling and spacing out their shots is a shame because they might miss the opportunity to open fire and shoot like crazy and eliminate 5-7 guys instead of shooting one and running backwards.

at the end of the day. terms used to describe warfare skill sets. Should not be used to describe paintball skill sets. and vice versa.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:15 PM

Well Eskimo that was wordy and I have to agree with what you said the most of the rest of this thread.

But to the original subject, that competion looks like a cheap marketing design to get your money and have you fail at it.
As it stands right now this 'competion' is that dammed island all over again, except it has a better chance of working for the format planners. Now this could be a very cool competion if paintball physics would be applied. No shots intened at the 500 foot mark. I know you met a guy that watched a guy with his fancy never before seen marker with its 23 inch barrel hit a golf ball off a coke can from 200 yards away, sadly this story is not tr:ue and you know it.

Now back to the rant.

Im willing to say that the sniper exists, Im willing to admit that I often play sniper ball. When I find my happy spot in the bush and sit all alone like waiting for some poor sucker to step into my kill zone then Im sniping, but thats also how I acutally hunt, so maybe Im a hunter? When I stalk the back woods line and crawl within the muck to get to the vantage point of the opponets pod packs Im sniping but thats also my ninja moves at work, maybe Im a ninja instead of a sniper then? When I sit in the back while my teamates advance to their opening postions Im appling a snipers fear into the enemy, of course this is normally in speedball so I guess Im just a backplayer laning.

I hunt snipers, I snipe squads, and I dont care what you call yourself, Im a freakin cyclops of unpleasent door to door bible delivery in 30 minutes or you buy two and you cant call me otherwise!
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:22 PM

View Post1-I, on 11 August 2011 - 10:15 PM, said:

Well Eskimo that was wordy and I have to agree with what you said the most of the rest of this thread.



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Posted 11 August 2011 - 09:52 PM

I think the arguments for both sides (though particularly for reef geek) would be more convincing if people took the time to type properly. Honestly, it irritates the heck out of me when people can't even spell or use proper grammar:


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Accuracy/ marksmanship: ofcoarse every one knows a sniper has to have a good shot. This doesn't necessarily have to be a far shot like 800 yard, it justneeds to be better that most other players on the field. In paint ball some people use first strikes to improve their accuracy. This leads to more hits per shot, but not nesisarely marks man ship. You have to practice alot to become a marks man. I think in paint ball that means making one or two shot kills regularly rather thanthe spray and pray meathod. I and many others on the ACES and Tiberius forums have reported one shot one kills on a regular basis. Considerig that there are hunderds of people between both forums, it's unlikely we are all lieing.


Frankly, I'm on the "Snipers don't really exist in paintball except for your own personal enjoyment". If you play paintball because you enjoy pretending that role, awesome, all the power to you. Our* point is that it's typically a marketing tactic employed because manufacturers know "Sniper" is a popular term, just like "Ninja", etc.

All other paintballers should ideally use similar tactics and skillsets to succeed in paintball.

Nobody really doubts that you can make one shot kills, ask anyone who plays pump, or anyone who just doesn't want to waste money on paint. In the woods, branches can wreck your shots where a bullet would have passed through, no problem - so we wait until a good angle comes up, or move in for a better shot.

I know it's not fair to target your spelling and stuff, but people take you more seriously if you try to BE more serious about it. As it stands, you sound like a 13 year old throwing a tantrum.

I didn't watch the video, but from the title and comments I'd assume that Tyger is mainly arguing against the hype marketing and physically impossible feats associated with the competition. NO paintball can travel said distance, etc., regardless of how skilled you are or how awesome your marker is. As stated before, physics.

If role-playing is why you enjoy paintball, do it - just don't force it down everyone's throats. It's like religion, politics, etc. - I live in Canada, I respect that you are Muslim, or a Liberal, and perhaps even support the Bloc Quebecois (nah).... but just because you believe in these things, don't expect me to become Mormon, or stop having a Christmas tree, or work only for charity. If somebody is interested in your marker, feel free to tell them about it - but nobody likes the guy that goes around saying "Want to touch it? My 98 custom is so awesome because I have a 27" barrel on it and it shoots faster than your marker and 200 feet further." Yeah, it's happened to me...

I was sucked in to the hype as well, and I've gotten past it and warn others that unless you want the realistic marker for the realistic look or feel, don't waste your money trying to improve your game with anything labelled "Tactical", "Sniper" "Rifling", or any other buzz word like that. Example: I HATED my Flatline barrel after a few days - no lateral accuracy... and it was my first barrel, came used. I assumed it was due to the imperfect nature of paintballs. Now totally happy with my plain J&J barrel on my 'Mag, my Phantom's barrel, my Super Stocker...

Play the game to have fun, not to be cooler or to try to put others below yourself.

Sorry if that was rambling, I got back from vacation and got switched to a new position starting at 5 am... (going from random shifts anywhere from 7-3:30 or 12:45-9:15) but I can't get to sleep until at least 10 or 11 because it's not dark yet up here.
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 10:45 PM



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Posted 11 August 2011 - 10:48 PM

OK...my 2 cents on Snipers...


Used properly in a paintball context, a sniper is a player who goes out of their way/puts extra effort into a general playing style that focuses on concealment, ambush, and carefully aimed long range fire.
Simple.
Not all PB player even TRY to play that way...Im terrible at it...I dont have the patience & end up attacking to soon or rushing in to fast. But I know guys who CAN do it fairly well...Im just not one of them.
A paintball sniper is not a combat sniper in any serious way - its a convenient, 2 syllable word that can describe a general playing style. CONTEXT....both the Sniper Fanboys and the Sniper Haters seem to forget this simple concept.
Sure, most people who actually CALL themselves snipers are goofballs & posers...but that doesnt mean that they're not out there. The key is to acknowledge that there is a difference between an actual military Sniper, and a paintball player who enjoys using similar tactics whenever possible.


The best paintball sniper I ever saw was my Mom.. seriously.
We took her out to play her first PB game for her 55th birthday. Mom is an "outdoors" lady and an experienced hunter...who treated every player on the other side as if they were a deer holding a marker. She would find good cover, take careful aim at fairly long range, and just pick 'em off one by one. It was actually kinda scary...she "bagged" 5 in one game...on her first day.
She was everything a wannabe PB sniper wishes they were, but she would have laughed in your face if you had called her a sniper.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 11:23 PM

A lot of good commentary on the thread here.

But I'll state it again. If they wanna be paintball snipers, I wanna be a paintball Eskimo.

I'll dress in mukluks, carry a spear, and know 30+ words for snow too! But that does not make me an Eskimo. I need to be much wordier to do that. *ZING!*

Point is that it's like people who want a "Coke" even if the store only has Pepsi, it's branding. After I get no substantial video responses Monday I'll probably do a vid based on it. Been on my mind lately anyhow, and "Sniper" in paintball is as much a brand name as "Dye" or "Coke" I got one guy who's saying he's gonna make lulz-bait video from the "sniper" standpoint, but I highly doubt that anyone will make a serious rebuttal. But I would like to be surprised.

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Posted 11 August 2011 - 11:38 PM

I figured 'Sniping' had nothing to do with distance, but rather hitting a target from a concealed position. From what is gathered based on definition people have quoted, it fits.

Tyger, unfortunately you kind of have to take a loss on this one. I understand where you are coming from in regards to some ridiculousness in the idea of a being a 'Sniper' in paintball but I think you are mainly attacking the typically portrayed and overly glorified image of what a Sniper is in media. The image usually associated is a long barreled rifle, ghillie suit, scopes, and red dots.

Fact is, if you are shooting a target and you are hidden technically by definition you are sniping. It is what it is.

I would chase after the b.s marketing of the image of a sniper as opposed to just players who want to call themselves whatever they want to call themselves like dagger, heavy gunner, or whatever asinine nickname they have like.. Tyger... (just kidding)

Gotta admit Tyger's been on a roll lately. His opinions have been dead on, but also kind of stray right... regardless, dude is Raw. Mad Respect.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:17 AM

I avoided this thread for a little while because I saw that it's a tacticool about a competition rather than gear of any kind. But meh, I've got nothing better to do or I wouldn't be here anyway haha!

Lets see... regarding the sniper competition I wouldn't put too much stock in it myself. $100 is pretty steep even for a giant all day scenario game, but for a 100 player competition? No way. How they went about setting up the various challenges could probably have been done better, but I'm not going to speculate as to how, or make any suggestions because... well, I don't care. Like I said it's just not worth the money in the first place. And even if it were a lot less money, with only 100 players it's not much bragging rights anyway.

As for the idea of paintball sniper being a marketing gimic I have to say I can't go along with that one for the most part. I mean honestly maybe you've seen a lot of brands and parts and other gear branded with the "paintball sniper" title, but frankly I haven't seen any that played too hard on the concept or mentioned it at all for that matter. Look at every major thing made to increase paintball range and/or accuracy: Flatline, I never saw "sniper" printed on the box to one of those; Apex, nope haven't heard "sniper" from them either; compressed air, I've never seen a ca tank labeled "sniper air" have you? The only thing I can think of is MAYBE (don't really remember that well and don't feel like diging up their site do verify) Tiberius mentioned something about the possibliity of "sniping" with the FS rounds.. but then again, it's not like they're called "sniper rounds" either. I'd say the whole paintball sniper concept has been generated and perpetuated a hell of a lot more by the players than the corporations who may or may not be preying on them.

Regarding the theory of the paintball sniper it's a little tricky, but it really does deserve a lot more credit than it usually gets. And either way people freak out about it way too much anyway. Seriously people, chill the f*ck out. In any case, real world or otherwise, sniping isn't just a magical range number. In the real world yes, there is a minimum range qualification to become a sniper (800 yards minimum) but in field if a sniper engages a target that just happens to pop up closer than that minimum range qualification he doesn't magically cease to be a sniper and the incident isn't necessarily any less sniping than any other. Tactically speaking one can snipe with a "sniper rifle", one can snipe with an assault riffle, one can snipe with a high magnification telescopic sight, or with iron sights. Granted on the range back stateside on some base to pass sniper school you're going to have to hit a target with a certain level of accuracy, at a certain range, with a weapon tailor made for the purpose, but in field it's not that simple or controlled. Sniper tactics simply involve using stealth and high accuracy fire at longer than "normal" ranges to gain an advantage, and the basic concept translates easily to paintball. People get way to caught up with special range numbers and special weapon types that they usually know nothing about, except what they've seen in movies and video games, and automatically discount the whole idea of the paintball sniper.

But aside from broad-scope sniper theory vs. tunnel vision on range quals, here's a funny little observation I've made. In the real world the differences between the sniper and the rest are many; range, tactics, etc. But do you know what the most fundemental difference is? How they shoot. Not how far they shoot, or what they shoot with, but how they shoot it. Any non-sniper is trained to engage at ranges not usually exceeding a few hundred meters, ranges at which for the most part, one only needs to aim the weapon straight at the target and pull the trigger. Basically for the non-sniper things like windage and drop are somewhat negligable, the weapon is battle zeroe'd, you put the aimpoint reticle (or line up irons) directly on the target and shoot, and you know so long as you've done that right, you're going to get the hit. Regular marksmanship training is all about how to hold the weapon steady enough to sight in on the target because once you're on target you know you're going to hit. At sniper ranges there's so much effect on the bullet due to gravity, windage, air density, humidity, temperature etc that there's not really any telling where the bullet is going to go... unless you learn a whole lot about balistics and take a whole lot of data from the environment and do a whole lot of math to figure out where the bullet will go, then adjust the scope so that the crosshairs more accurately represent that conclusion. Essentially the sniper has to fire up and slightly into the wind (along with probably a whole lot of other corrections that I know nothing about), so that the bullet basically is pushed by the wind, and falls onto the target. Does this remind anyone of anything?

In paintball (if you're one of the frighteningly few wise enough to bother aiming at all) how often are you so close to your target that you can just aim directly at them and know you're going to hit them? Almost never. Granted paintballing happens at massively shorter ranges than even the shortest firearm. But due to the low velocity and poor aerodynamics of the paintball it's effected by gravity and other factors a lot more even at the short ranges than bullets are at much longer ones. Basically anyone who aims a paintball gun rarely ever gets the convenience of sight in a and shoot. Everyone who aims a paintball gun has to learn the trajectory of their marker through experience, then sight in, adjust a LOT for drop, adjust some more for whatever weird angle or hook your marker likes to shoot at most of the time and then shoot and let the paintball drop and arc onto target.

Now I've never been a qualified sniper, so I don't really know what it's like to snipe. But I have been a qualified sharpshooter (which in the Navy is a regular marksmanship term), and just knowing the basic concepts of sniping I can tell you that aiming a paintball gun is almost always a hell of a lot more like sniping than it is like regualar marksmanship.

Basically to sum up all that unecessary border-line ranting: Anyone who aims a paintball gun at all is acting a hell of a lot more like a real world sniper than a real world marksman, wether they claim the title "paintball sniper" or not. And you can take that to the bank.

So everybody: chill out, and wether you like the idea or not, lay off the snipers. There's probably a lot more legitimacy to their claim than you're ever going to be willing to admit. But if you can't admit it... at least shut the hell up.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 01:25 AM

Lemme see here...

Sniper thread

Peron posts snipers do/don't exist
Opening salvo is to bash the person starting it
Other side comes in and defend from other sites with personal attacks
Defenders defend with personal attacks
The argument devolves into personal nitpicking
Definitions are used and dictionary.com begins to overclock
Goodwin's Law somehow is invoked
Religion is mentioned
All hell breaks loose
Thread locked and ends with no resolution

we're on definitions and religion on another forum for this round, I'd hate to see it happen as usual again. It's why I invited them to make videos and SHOW ME the passion and convince me. Words on a screen mean nothing, trust me I should know. And I hate the "agree to disagree" because it's a nice way to say "I still think you're wrong so (censor stuff here)" and never solves anything.

Meanwhile, I'm gonna go make popcorn.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 02:49 AM

What's this all about? I thought mine was pretty damn logical, based on behavior rather than technical definitions or any mumbo jumbo. Yes your religion is mumbo jumbo. Don't know who brought in religion, don't know what the religion was, don't know what they said about it, don't know how they applied it. But their religion is mumbo jumbo.

Enjoy this little taste of my intentional beligerence based sense of humor which I'm deploying mostly just because I like saying mumbo jumbo and so rarely get the opportunity to.

Mumbo jumbo.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 03:55 AM

View PostShipwreck!, on 12 August 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

What's this all about? I thought mine was pretty damn logical, based on behavior rather than technical definitions or any mumbo jumbo. Yes your religion is mumbo jumbo. Don't know who brought in religion, don't know what the religion was, don't know what they said about it, don't know how they applied it. But their religion is mumbo jumbo.

Enjoy this little taste of my intentional beligerence based sense of humor which I'm deploying mostly just because I like saying mumbo jumbo and so rarely get the opportunity to.

Mumbo jumbo.

I started that post while in queue for a battleground on WOW, and hit post when it was done. :) And the religion post was over on ACES, where it was brought up as an argument style.
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 07:00 AM

View PostWarpaint, on 11 August 2011 - 07:28 PM, said:

...put in the hours of practice to earn the desired distinction...


My Ghillie took HOURS...and HOURS....and DAYS!!! to make... and I am STILL not done with it.

I don't want to waste time arguing this fact. I personally LOVE playing as a "SNIPER". i also LOVE playing dagger/sabre/broadsword. WHATEVER you call it. Lets not get hung up on the classifications or names of this sport, but rather PLAY IT!

Its like saying a corner-back isn't a "corner-back" just a guy who covers the wide receiver... WTF!

random paintball player:"Get that sniper..."
skeptical non believer paintballer: "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PAINTBALL SNIPERS!!!"
random player:"GET THAT CONCEALED SHOOTER OVER THERE BY THE BUSH TO THE LEFT OF THE YELLOW LEAF!"
skeptical non believer paintballer: "OH OK, NOW I CAN SHOOT AT HIM! YOU HAVE PROPERLY CLASSIFIED HIS TRUE NATURE!"

:P so silly
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Posted 12 August 2011 - 07:13 AM

ahh, the sniper debate...

Lovely, and fresh.

I play paintball in my backyard with friends. We chrono, play with rules, and our field doesn't consist of bunkers, forts, cars and other typical paintball field objects. It is just plain old boring woods. A few quad trails mixed in here and there. There are hunnysuckle bushes that grow so thick that summer play is passed by, as we play once the leaves fall off the trees and you can see more than 20 feet away from you.

But, it is not a "typical" paintball field. We have hills, (where our bases are) and two skids (that hold the flags, no you can't hide behind them... it is in the rules). Our games typically last 15 minutes or less. I have captured the flag many times in under 2 minutes.

When we first started playing 5 years ago, we played in jeans and tee shirts. After one guy came in camo and we realized how much harder he was to see on the field, we all switched.

Once the apex barrel came out and we realized that you could eliminate players from all the way across the field at the top of one hill to the top of the other (well over 300 feet) we all started buying apex barrels.

Some guys wear guilli suits... Some just wear hunting camo. (me I wear realtree)

I DO consider myself a "sniper" whatever that means, because I consistently shoot guys from my camp all the way over at the other camp. (300-350 feet away sometimes more).

I HAVE shot from one side all the way to the other (yes I was shooting towards the heavens) a quick semi auto 10 shot and eliminated players who had just started the game at the other camp 400 feet + away...


Do I think I can walk outside right now and hit a 5 inch card at 350 feet.


NO.

But, I don't use a magazine to carry my 10 shots either. I have a hopper on my A-5. And that hopper is full when the game starts. If I can shoot (semi auto) a series of shots and get a elimination at 350 feet, does that make me a sniper?

When I play, and I eliminate multiple players at 300+ feet on the other team, way before they are close enough to engage me, and THEY TELL ME when we get back to camp "wow, I can't believe how far away you were when you shot me, you're a good paintball sniper"... Does that mean paintball snipers don't exist?

If I dropped a video on here right now that showed me shooting (with my old apex, I have an apex 2 now) at 263 fps and launching paint 350+ feet uphill into the wind, would that prove there are snipers? Course I didn't hit the target I was aiming at... (and no, I won't blame "old" paint).




You can clearly see that even with an old apex shooting much lower than 300fps, you can shoot 350+ feet, with the average being around 325. Some will be more, some less.

In my mind, I don't think of a paintball sniper as a single shot guy... I've been walking on my ridge by my camp, and heard the report from an opponents marker way accross the hill on the other side of our field and though "ain't no way that will hit me". Only to feel the stabbing pain of the hit eliminating me from the game.

Did I get sniped? It was clearly too far away for a "regular" paintballer to hit me... Me personally, I call that type of hit a "sniper" shot. Even if he dropped one two or three shots on me...

Does that player ONLY play that way in a guilli suit... Nope. But, in my mind he did snipe me that day.


Kind of reminds me of this little test I did, and a game we play after paintball, where I aimed for, and shot my cousin in the head from across a field (150 feet away). In my mind he shot me normally (hit my elbow) but I "sniped" him, as I hit exactly what I was aiming at.

To me that is the difference. If I had just hit him (not in the head where I was aiming) then it wasn't a snipe, just a hit, if that makes sense.

My gun is also in that video, players call me a sniper all the time, because I hit them so far away... Course my gun doesn't look like the typical "sniper" gun at all, I run a 10 inch barrel, on my A-5, and yes I have a red dot scope but I have only used it a few times on the field, pretty much it is just there to make me look tacticool...




If I get time I might make a video for fun... now that I have a HD video camera with ZOOM expect more long distance "sniper" kills from my channel. Before I would do them, but they would'nt be picked up on my video gear.

So instead of sniping guys at long distances I "sniped" them close... as you can see in this video.

Again the difference is the shot placement, and the hiding factor.



Now at :15 seconds in on that video, that is what I call a "sniper" shot. One shot kill, and the guy had NO CLUE where the paint came from, in fact he looked around for a while trying to find me. While I lay snickering in the bushes. (he was about 25 feet from our flag and was sure no one saw him)

At :24, that team of players came into the back side of my flag (again I was guarding the flag) I laid on the ground only in my realtree camo, and didn't move except for my gun, and you can see the outcome. I ended up getting all three of them, and only the last guy figured out where I was, AFTER I eliminated him, and TALKED to him. Those first two were "snipes" even though they were close, and I shot more than once, but the first guy ended up with 5 hits... and I fired 5 times. Two headshots, 3 center mass.

His partner got 5 in the neck and shoulder (the only thing I could see to aim at through the thick brush). None of them knew where I was...



Call it what you want, but to me THAT is sniping.

Most players don't have the shooting ability, nerve and confidence to get kills like that, if they did... They would be called snipers by other players too.

And really, does it matter if it is "sniping" or just good paintball play? At the end of that video (2:18) I shoot up an entire camp (the other team ALL stayed back and guarded their camp because they were tired of us getting their flag). I attacked and moved, using stealth and cover to come into their camps from different spots eliminating them one by one, I only attracted fire from one small group of players that I quickly eliminated as they were in the open and I was behind cover. In the end I took out 7 of their 9 players and captured the flag single handedly while my team stayed behind me to see what I would do.


There is a reason guys cheer when they shoot me out on the field. Does that make me a sniper, or just a good paintballer?...



Things proven in these videos.

1. 300+ foot shots are real.
2. 150 foot one shot headshots are real.
3. players can hide and one shot eliminate other players from cover where they are never discoverd, hence the "sniper" term.
4. When being attacked from the back by a team, hiding is often more effective than standing guard and shooting a wall of paint.
5. Marksmanship (not volume of fire) is more effective at times especially against a large group of targets spread over an area.
6. Shooting ability and stealth often wins over higher rates of fire even when massively outnumbered, making the "sniper" a valuable role, especially when guarding the flag.


Oh, and we play if you are hit you are out regardless of break. So even "bounces" eliminate me from games. Trust me, when you play that way you learn to hide more, and try to keep cover between you and your targets.

Does any of that make me a sniper?


I think sometimes it does. Other times not so much... Do I get offended if someone calls me a sniper... Nope.

Do I say "there is no sniper in paintball". Nope. I can see both sides of the discussion. I've seen enough of Tygers videos and play style to think that he plays as a "sniper" quite often...

Just don't call him one.

This post has been edited by FreeEnterprise: 15 August 2011 - 04:37 AM
Reason for edit: added media tags so the videos would show, no worries.

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